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--- other:win10crash [2020/01/31 14:19] – [Be prepared] jypeter
+++ other:win10crash [2024/12/17 09:56] (current) – Updated some BSOD related links jypeter
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-====== Recovering from a Major Windows 10 Crash ======
+====== Recovering from a Major Hardware or Windows 10 Crash ======
+[[other:index#windows_10_notes|Other Windows 10 related notes]]
 <note important>
   * If you have problems, you should** get in touch with the [[other:newppl:starting#getting_help_from_the_lsce_system_administrators|LSCE system administrators]]** (referenced below as //your favorite IT people//) and bring them your desktop/laptop, if you are not too far from LSCE. Otherwise, you can try to use the information on this page
-  * The information you can find on Google is not always the best and this page will hopefully help you recover your PC, or at least understand a bit what has happened and use what you find on Google more safely and efficiently... **Avoid** downloading scripts or external applications that are supposed to analyze and solve your problem, unless it is from a Microsoft site or if you really trust the source
+  * The information you can find on Google is not always the best and this page will hopefully help you recover your PC, or at least understand a bit what has happened and use what you find on Google more safely and efficiently... **Avoid** downloading scripts or external applications that are supposed to analyze and solve your problem, unless it is from a Microsoft site, or if you really trust the source
 </note>
-<note tip>Most of the links on this page are links to **English** pages of Microsoft web sites. You can easily change the language of those technical pages to **French** by changing the language setting at the bottom of each page, or by replacing ''en-us'' string in their URL with ''fr-fr''</note>
+<note tip>Most of the links on this page are links to **English** pages of Microsoft web sites. You can easily change the language of those technical pages to **French** by changing the language setting at the bottom of each page, or by replacing the ''en-us'' string in their URL with ''fr-fr''</note>
 You don't have to remember everything on this page, but try to remember at least that this pages exists and how to find it! Maybe you can **bookmark this page on your smartphone**...
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 <wrap em>Don't Panic (yet...)!</wrap>
-===== What if I can't turn off my computer? =====
+===== What if I can't turn ON my computer? =====
+You can try the easy and standard [[https://www.reddit.com/r/techsupport/comments/12nyre/30_second_power_button_trick/|hard reset trick]]. It works mysteriously, but it often works. It's worth trying!
+===== What if I can't turn OFF my computer? =====
 If your computer is unresponsive (frozen screen, you have a [[https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/14106/windows-10-troubleshoot-black-screen-or-blank-screen-errors|black screen or blank screen]], ...):
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 ===== What kind of crash? =====
-You don't have to worry too much about a single crash (though you should investigate what is wrong). By //<wrap em>major crash</wrap>// we mean that you have unsuccessfully tried several times to reboot your computer, or that the computer crashes very quickly/regularly once you are logged in. Maybe you have even already ended up in the [[other:win10crash#the_windows_recovery_environment_and_the_safe_mode|Windows Recovery Environment]]...
+You don't have to worry too much about a single crash (though you should investigate what is wrong). By //<wrap em>major crash</wrap>// we mean that you have unsuccessfully tried several times to reboot your computer, or that the computer crashes very quickly/regularly once you are logged in. Maybe you have even already ended up in the [[other:win10crash#the_windows_recovery_environment_and_the_safe_mode|Windows Recovery Environment]] (Windows will automatically boot in //Win RE// after several consecutive aborted restarts)...
 ==== Hardware crash ====
-Your computer does not start at all or behaves strangely due to a failing disk, memory errors, a defective (and swollen) laptop battery or other hardware related problems
+Your computer does not start at all or behaves strangely due to a failing disk, memory errors, overheating, a defective (and swollen) laptop battery or other hardware related problems
   * Just to be sure, **unplug** all the external devices from your computer (webcam, USB sticks, external disks) and check if you are still getting errors
   * Maybe you'll have to use the **warranty** of your computer (more on this later). PC computers bought at LSCE have at least 3 years of international warranty. If you notice something suspicious on your PC, don't wait till the warranty has expired to try to fix it
-  * Sometimes your computer will only be able to **beep or flash** some leds. You can find out what the sequence of sounds/flashes means on the computer manufacturer web site
+  * You can find out on the manufacturer's site how to **run the built-in diagnostics**
+    * **Dell** //Enhanced Pre-Boot System Assessment// (ePSA) or //PSA//
+      * To start the built-in diagnostics, power off the computer, remove all the external devices and
+        * Desktop: power on the desktop and tap the F12 key at the Dell splash screen on start-up
+        * Laptop: connect the charger (not the dock) to the laptop, power on the laptop and:
+          * Hold in the ''Fn'' key and the power button
+          * or tap the F12 key at the Dell splash screen
+      * [[https://www.dell.com/support/article/us/en/04/sln115162/resolve-hardware-issues-with-built-in-and-online-diagnostics-epsa-or-psa-error-codes?lang=en|Resolve Hardware Issues With Built-in and Online Diagnostics (ePSA or PSA Error Codes)]]
+      * [[https://www.dell.com/support/article/us/en/04/sln131497/how-to-run-the-lcd-built-in-self-test-on-a-dell-laptop?lang=en|How to Run the LCD Built-in Self-Test on a Dell Laptop]]
+      * [[https://www.dell.com/support/contents/en-us/article/product-support/self-support-knowledgebase/fix-common-issues/monitors-and-screens|How to Resolve Monitor or Laptop Display Issues]]
+      * [[https://www.dell.com/support/contents/fr-fr/videos/videoplayer/how-to-recover-from-booting-issues-using-the-bios-recovery-tool/6079779755001|How to recover from booting issues using the BIOS Recovery Tool]] video
+      * [[https://www.dell.com/support/kbdoc/en-us/000129583/no-post-no-power-no-video-on-a-dell-desktop-computer|No POST, No Power, No Video on a Dell Desktop Computer]]
+      * [[https://www.dell.com/support/kbdoc/en-us/000141584/how-to-troubleshoot-a-no-post-issue-on-a-dell-notebook-pc|How to Troubleshoot a No POST Issue on a Dell Notebook PC]]
+    * **HP**:
+      * [[https://support.hp.com/us-en/document/ish_2854458-2733239-16|HP PCs - Testing for Hardware Failures]]
+      * [[https://support.hp.com/id-en/document/ish_3974055-3873564-16|HP PCs - Computer does not turn on, start, or boot]]
+  * Sometimes your computer will only be able to sadly **beep or flash** some leds in order to get your attention. You can find out what the sequence of sounds/flashes means on the computer manufacturer web site
     * [[https://www.dell.com/support/article/us/en/04/sln293445/understanding-beep-codes-on-a-dell-desktop-pc|Understanding Beep Codes on a Dell Desktop PC]]
     * [[https://www.dell.com/support/article/us/en/04/sln309623/understanding-beep-codes-on-a-dell-notebook-pc|Understanding Beep Codes on a Dell Notebook PC]]
-    * [[https://support.hp.com/us-en/document/bph07107|HP Desktop PCs - Computer Does Not Start and Emits an LED or Beep Code]]
+    * [[https://support.hp.com/us-en/document/ish_1997210-1528385-16|HP Desktop PCs - Computer beeps or a light blinks during startup]]
-    * [[https://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c01732674|HP Notebook PCs - Computer Does Not Start and Emits an LED or Beep Code]]
+    * [[https://support.hp.com/us-en/document/ish_1997719-1528356-16|HP Notebook PCs - Computer beeps or a light blinks during startup]]
 ==== Software crash ====
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 <note important>You should pay special attention to this section when your computer is (still) healthy</note>
+  * Know how to [[other:bios#bios|access the BIOS]] of your computer, and determine the //BIOS version//
   * Know where to find the serial number (or //service tag//) of your computer. It is probably on a sticker somewhere on the computer, and should also be available in the [[other:bios#bios|BIOS]]
   * Know when your warranty expires (you need to know the serial number) and get things fixed **before** the expiration date
     * [[https://www.dell.com/support/home/us/en/04?app=warranty&~ck=mn&lwp=rt|Dell warranty check]]
-      * Technical support (France): +33 1 41 91 95 22
+      * Technical support (France):
+        * Free: +33 1 41 91 95 22
+        * Paying: 0825 004 686 (use the free number above!)
     * [[https://support.hp.com/us-en/checkwarranty|HP warranty check]]
       * Technical support (France): 0805 54 04 21 (PIN 81090)
-  * Make sure the [[https://wiki.lsce.ipsl.fr/pmip3/doku.php/other:win10config#activating_system_protection_by_recovery|system protection by Recovery]] is active. In case of a software problem, you may be able to go back to a state when your computer was stable
+  * Make sure the [[https://wiki.lsce.ipsl.fr/pmip3/doku.php/other:win10config#activating_system_protection_by_recovery|system protection by Recovery]] is active. In case of a software problem (the most common problem), you may be able to go back to a state when your computer was stable
   * Remember the password of a **local** account that has **admin** access to your computer (the kerberos password of ''account@LSCE.IPSL.FR'' may not work when you try to recover your PC)
-  * If all or part of your disk is encrypted, try to have a way to access the recovery key
+  * If all or part of your disk is encrypted, try to have a convenient way to access the recovery key(s)
-    * [[https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4026181/windows-10-find-my-bitlocker-recovery-key|Find my BitLocker recovery key]] => You need to get this **key** from your favorite IT people, and **store it in a safe place** that you can easily access even if you are not in your office or at home
+    * [[https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4026181/windows-10-find-my-bitlocker-recovery-key|Find my BitLocker recovery key]] => You need to get this **key** from your favorite IT people, and **store it in a safe place** that you can easily access even if you are not in your office or at home.
-      * <wrap em>Do not store the key with your computer</wrap> (you might as well remove the encryption...)
+      * The //key// is a combination of:
+        * a unique (and seemingly) random text string **id** identifying the crypted disk\\ e.g. ''87BXXXXX-XXXX-XXXX-XXXX-XXXXXX324E31''
+        * a unique text string **key** used to unlock the disk\\ e.g. ''693XXX-XXXXXX-XXXXXX-XXXXXX-XXX856-XXXXXX-XXXXXX-XXXXXX''
+      * <wrap em>Do not store (a printed version of) the key with your computer</wrap> (you might as well remove the encryption...)
+      * You could store a text file with your key(s) on the reasonably safe //sharebox// server, but you will need some internet access to get the keys (sharebox can display text files, so you don't need to download the text file to access the key)
   * Try to create backups regularly, e.g. with [[https://wiki.lsce.ipsl.fr/pmip3/doku.php/other:win10apps#backup_software|SyncBackFree]]
-  * Install [[http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/blue_screen_view.html|BlueScreenView]]
+  * Install [[other:win10apps#bluescreenview|BlueScreenView]]
     * Use the //Download BlueScreenView with full install/uninstall support// at the bottom of the page
     * It's easier to install BlueScreenView when your computer is working correctly, than right after a crash, when you are not even sure to have network access
     * This will allow you to analyze the dump/log files created by Windows when there is a //BSOD type// crash
       * It's not easy to analyze what is displayed by BlueScreenView, but it will tell you at least when (and how often) the crash occurred (and if you already had similar other crashes)
+  * Other potentially useful software
+    * [[https://www.alcpu.com/CoreTemp/|CoreTemp]]: allows you to monitor the temperature of your processors, if you think your PC is overheating, or the fan is making more noise than usual. See also:
+      * [[https://www.pcworld.com/article/3253340/how-to-check-your-cpu-temperature.html|How to check your PC's CPU temperature]]
+      * [[https://askthemanager.com/2018/01/stop-new-dell-laptop-overheating-shutting/|How To Stop Your New Dell Laptop From Overheating & Shutting Down]]
+    * [[https://www.hwinfo.com/|HWInfo]]: Comprehensive Hardware Analysis, Monitoring and Reporting for Windows
   * You can also try once to boot in Safe Mode when your PC has no problems, in order to see what the Safe Mode looks like.
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 === Hardware problem ===
-There is no standard solution. In the worst case, you can always remove the disk from your computer and plug it to an external adapter (available at LSCE) to recover at least part of the disk. This will require extra work if the disk is encrypted (it the LSCE IT people did the encryption, they should have the [[https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4026181/windows-10-find-my-bitlocker-recovery-key|BitLocker recovery key]]).
+There is no standard solution. In the worst case, you can always remove the disk from your computer and plug it to an external adapter (available at LSCE) to recover at least part of the disk. This will require extra work if the disk is encrypted (it your favorite IT people took care of the encryption, they should have the [[https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4026181/windows-10-find-my-bitlocker-recovery-key|BitLocker recovery key]]).
+Check the [[#be_prepared]] section to determine how to get in touch with Dell or HP
 === Software problem ===
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   * Try to [[https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/12376/windows-10-start-your-pc-in-safe-mode|boot in Safe Mode with Networking]]
     * You probably have to follow the steps in //From a black or blank screen//
-    * If your computer does not crash in safe mode, this means that your problem is indeed due to a faulty driver, or some software started when Windows start, or you start your session
+    * If your computer does not crash in safe mode, this means that your problem is indeed due to a faulty driver, or some software started when Windows starts, or when you start your session
   * Use [[other:win10crash#be_prepared|BlueScreenView]] to get some information about the crash (you'll know at least how many times you crashed...)
     * If //BlueScreenView// is not installed yet, you should be able to install it if you have network access
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   * The instructions below will help you find which Windows updates or Programs were installed recently and uninstall them
     * Open the [[https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/14238/windows-10-troubleshoot-blue-screen-errors|Troubleshoot blue screen errors]] page, select //When did you get the error? => After an update was installed//, and then look for //Once your device is in safe mode// and follow the steps
-  * If you did not find anything about the device that may cause problems in the previous step, [[https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4026149/windows-open-device-manager|Open the device manager]] and then go back to the previous version of the driver(s), if possible, or just remove the driver and let Windows use the default driver
+  * If you did not find anything about the device that may cause problems in the previous step, [[https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4026149/windows-open-device-manager|open the device manager]] and then go back to the previous version of the driver(s), if possible, or just remove the driver(s) and let Windows use the default driver(s)
+    * [[https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4028443/windows-10-update-drivers|Update drivers in Windows 10]]
   * Boot in normal mode and if things are OK, try to have Windows update the computer again
-**If booting in safe mode did not help**, and you still don't have an easy access to your IT people, you can explore other [[https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/12415/windows-10-recovery-options|Recovery options in Windows 10]]
+**If booting in safe mode did not help**, and you still don't have an easy access to your IT people, you can explore other [[https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/12415/windows-10-recovery-options|Recovery options in Windows 10]]. From the //Windows Recovery Environment//, you can even **theoretically** [[other:win10reinstall|re-install Windows 10 and keep your data]]
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